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Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Munerift on January 22, 2007, 09:58:01 PM
I’m looking to register a domain name for my website here.

What I would prefer would be a ‘.net’ but I could live with a ‘.com’ should it be signifigantly cheaper. This is my first time doing this so I wondered if any of you had more experience with this sort of thing and could help me.

How good is GoDaddy..? Their prices are attractive however I’m worried about the ‘up-time’ vs ‘down-time’ (they’ll always tweak their own figures to look better) of getting someone who enters “example.net
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Gwyn on January 22, 2007, 11:33:12 PM
One of my friends used godaddy and has no complaints. most of them use dreamhost though.
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: fesworks on January 22, 2007, 11:34:16 PM
I've had no problem with Yahoo! Domains.

http://domains.yahoo.com

Occassionally they have deals, but the base price is $10 per year. You can have the name redirect to whatever page you want, and as an option you can have it mask where it redirects you (which would have the domain name in the URL no matter where you go on your page).

Uptime? Downtime? No idea what Godaddy is talking about with that. Like I said, I never have any problems with their redirect system.

*shrug*
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Xepher on January 23, 2007, 01:22:44 PM
I just buy "raw" domain names. I don't pay for any redirect services or anything, as I run DNS here. If you go that route, you just have to tell me what the domain name was, and I link it to your account here. I've used http://www.domainsnext.com/ for years now. I wouldn't say they're great or anything, but their terms are such that you actually own the name, whereas places like GoDaddy have a history of ripping people off. I don't know if they still do it, but for a while, if you read the fine print, you didn't own the name, they bought it at your request, and then leased it to you, making it impossible to ever move to another provider.

As for what you need to do... let me know of course, and other than that, set the authoritative nameservers for your domain to ns1.xepher.net and ns2.xepher.net and that should do it.
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: fesworks on January 23, 2007, 03:27:02 PM
when you do that, does the website do this:

http://fesworks.xepher.net/home.php

to

http://fesandernst.com/home.php   ... and all other pages, etc?


Also, I have not read the Yahoo terms, so I can't say anything about terms like that like GoDaddy.
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Xepher on January 23, 2007, 09:12:24 PM
Almost, but not quite. Your example redirects to the "proper" url (the xepher.net subdomain.) If I directly host the name, there's no redirect needed,
the domain name is added to the virtual server alias list, just the same as the (sub)domain you already have. See http://www.missmab.com/ vs. http://missmab.xepher.net/ Same page on both, and if you use the .com, it doesn't redirect, so your users can always see the same URL. Make sense? (Sometimes I'm bad at explaining this.)
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: fesworks on January 23, 2007, 09:28:18 PM
Well, Yahoo has a "Mask URL" option, but what it does it would just show "http://fesandernst.com" no matter what part of the site you are on... If I where to click away from where it redirects me when I type in "http://fesandernst.com" and then click to go to the "HOME"  it would only show "http://fesandernst.com" and not "http://fesandernst.com/home.php" (I don't like the Masked option).

I'm guessing, that if I got it transfered here, that it does not mask like that... Like http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_737.php is the same as http://missmab.xepher.net/Comics/Vol_737.php

If so. I should do that.

So I just "set the authoritative nameservers for your domain to ns1.xepher.net and ns2.xepher.net and that should do it." after letting you know I wanna do that?
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Xepher on January 24, 2007, 12:18:51 AM
Right, I have to add the proper data to the web, mail, and DNS servers. As a bonus, you can use anythingATfesandernst.com for email and it will go into mail system here just like your regular addresses here. That is to say, it goes into your box here, or gets forwarded, or spam filtered, or whatever you've got your account setup to do with your email here.
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: fesworks on January 24, 2007, 01:34:25 AM
I'll do that this weekend to avoid any URL disruption. If there really won't be, then say the word and I'll change the nameservers as soon as I see your post saying I can!

:D
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Xepher on January 24, 2007, 05:11:08 AM
There's no delay at this end. I set it up already, so it's good to go. Any delay would come from their side, but I imagine they wouldn't stop the redirect, and then wait before changing the name servers. As soon as queries show xepher.net as authoritative, it'll work here.
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: fesworks on January 24, 2007, 11:46:15 PM
Done. Forgot about my index page there... I have to copy my Home.php to my index untill I can rework all my pages again :P
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Munerift on January 30, 2007, 09:26:42 PM
Quote from: XepherI just buy "raw" domain names. I don't pay for any redirect services or anything, as I run DNS here. If you go that route, you just have to tell me what the domain name was, and I link it to your account here. I've used http://www.domainsnext.com/ for years now. I wouldn't say they're great or anything, but their terms are such that you actually own the name, whereas places like GoDaddy have a history of ripping people off. I don't know if they still do it, but for a while, if you read the fine print, you didn't own the name, they bought it at your request, and then leased it to you, making it impossible to ever move to another provider.

As for what you need to do... let me know of course, and other than that, set the authoritative nameservers for your domain to ns1.xepher.net and ns2.xepher.net and that should do it.
Hi Xepher!

I just registed at http://www.domainsnext.com/ for 'http://munestudios.net'  ...where do I go from now..? I would like it pointed at http://munerift.xepher.net/MuneStudios please. (if you can)
I also forwarded the DNS to ns1.xepher.net & ns2.xepher.net like you said to do.
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Xepher on January 31, 2007, 04:05:37 AM
You mean you set the nameservers to those? It shouldn't be "forwarding" anything. Assuming that's true, it should start working as soon as the nameserver changes take effect where you are. It's working already here, so it's just a matter of how long before your (or a visitor's) ISP updates their nameservers. Usually it's 24-48 hours from the time you make the changes.
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: fesworks on January 31, 2007, 04:13:39 AM
Hey Xepher, I'm going to request this same treatment for "www.ardracomic.com" for "ardra.xepher.net" as well... but I'm not going to switch it over until next week Monday, since I still want that Domain to point to the old site until then.

I'll probably repost on Monday about it. Thanks in advance though :)
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Munerift on January 31, 2007, 05:44:13 AM
Quote from: XepherYou mean you set the nameservers to those? It shouldn't be "forwarding" anything. Assuming that's true, it should start working as soon as the nameserver changes take effect where you are. It's working already here, so it's just a matter of how long before your (or a visitor's) ISP updates their nameservers. Usually it's 24-48 hours from the time you make the changes.
It's working on my end as well... whoopie! =D
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Munerift on January 31, 2007, 06:51:20 AM
...does anyone have any favorates for business cards now? =P
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: fesworks on January 31, 2007, 07:29:33 AM
Quote from: Munerift...does anyone have any favorates for business cards now? =P
How do you mean? I guess I don't get what you are asking.
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Munerift on January 31, 2007, 02:33:24 PM
A business card printer. I thought about doing Vista Print but they wanted to throw a bunch of charges on me at the last moment...
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: fesworks on January 31, 2007, 05:28:52 PM
can't you go to a Kinkos or something?
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Munerift on January 31, 2007, 06:02:31 PM
They want to charge me around $35 all together... a might too rich for my blood right now. I checked out www.overnightprints.com and found a discount code that gave me $10 off an order... so I'm ordering around 100 for $11 bucks total. I figure it's enough & economical enough to see if I like the cards and want to order more, or if I should make other arrangements.

If anyone else has had wonderful success with another business card printer however I'd love some other recommendations.
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: fesworks on January 31, 2007, 07:03:32 PM
ooo, can the discount code be shared?
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Munerift on January 31, 2007, 07:41:49 PM
HAPPYHOLIDAYS
I've also seen this one:
HOLIDAY2006

I think I used the later one though.

It's only good through the end of today though so you'd need to act fast..! =)
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Gwyn on January 31, 2007, 08:21:08 PM
Funny I can mass produce several thousand business cards for myself for free in a matter of hours :). Offset lithography for the win!
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Munerift on January 31, 2007, 08:57:34 PM
Quote from: GwynFunny I can mass produce several thousand business cards for myself for free in a matter of hours :). Offset lithography for the win!
I wish I had that at my disposal..~! =D
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Xepher on February 01, 2007, 06:01:21 AM
Gwyn wins the thread! :-)

I never needed more than a few dozen at a time, so I just print 'em on cardstock myself and then cut apart. The advantage is I can do full color, and proof them to see if I like it. I can also change something and not waste too many. Also, you can buy pre-punched card stock, so no cutting needed. It's a bit more expensive, but still cheaper than paying to have them printed. If you've got a paper cutter though, go with unpunched.

Fes, remind me over the weekend about ardra... I'm doing 12-hour workdays right now, so I've not been online much.
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Munerift on February 01, 2007, 09:56:31 AM
I was printing on card stock when I first started and cutting using sissors and aiming the best I could... but my printer I've got access to only prints in black and white so that left my options very limited... =P

I also re-did my front page, can you look and tell me if it's alright? This way they can go to the web design or my art section. The xeph-bar fits in well with my color scheme too! =)
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: griever on February 01, 2007, 10:12:12 AM
Ehhh...it looks a little cluttered to me.  It also reminds me of my grandma's photo table...maybe adding frames around each of the pictures might set them apart and make it seem less disorderly?  I like the reflection effect.
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Xepher on February 01, 2007, 06:32:00 PM
Looks fine to me, but yeah, maybe frames, or put them at different angles or something.
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Gwyn on February 01, 2007, 06:34:44 PM
The new site layout is way better.
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Databits on February 02, 2007, 06:35:06 PM
You may want to get the .com as well Mun, if anything to park it (but I'd use it for the same site). If they are both available it's nice to own them both. Simply because if, say, your company hits it off and gets some attention. If you don't own the .com I guarantee someone else will pick it up, and possibly for a bad reason (like a hacking or porn site). In addition, if you have both domains used, that's 2 vs 1 search index by bots, which could potentially increase traffic.
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Xepher on February 02, 2007, 07:36:18 PM
*still regrets not getting xepher.com when it was available.
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Xepher on February 02, 2007, 07:38:15 PM
Fes, I just added the ardracomic.com domain, so it's good to go whenever.
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Gwyn on February 02, 2007, 10:27:01 PM
is xepher.com still that lame web services site?
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Munerift on February 02, 2007, 11:41:32 PM
It played ewwwie music so I closed it right away before I could see anything.

So it really is helpful to have the .com & .net? I really kind of like the whole .net thing though... ?? It would be wonderful to see Mune Studios take off, but the realistic side of me steps up and has to think that in all probability, I'll probably end up continuing down this same 'barter for my services' route that I'm on right now. ...but in barter defense... man these chiro sessions are wonderful!
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: griever on February 03, 2007, 12:05:26 AM
Expiration date June 3rd, 2007 and it doesn't look like it's been maintained.  Or else some larger group is parking their butts there and waiting.

But as long as we're drifting...Xepher, is it possible to have 2 domains point to two different subfolders here?
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: fesworks on February 03, 2007, 12:40:04 AM
Quote from: Xepher*still regrets not getting xepher.com when it was available.
Pffft, forget it. I like "XepherNet".. Its a cool network of art and creativity ;) :)


Quote from: XepherFes, I just added the ardracomic.com domain, so it's good to go whenever.
Awesome, Thank you :)
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Xepher on February 03, 2007, 05:18:59 AM
Right, it's definitely Xepher.net, but by having the .com and .org, you secure it from people that might ruin your image or whatnot. I've got the .org, and the .net... the .com got renewed the day before it's expiration last time as well. I'm gonna try to snag it again though if it goes up for sale.

Griever: It is, but not through my automation/setup alone. The hosting system points all domainnames you have to your account itself. You can add apache config file (.htaccess) files to do rewrite rules based upon which domain name was used, and do things like redirect to a particular folder or something. It's more complicated that I was willing to automate, considering how little use I would have for it, but it's not too complicated if you have a basic understanding of how URL and filesystem space map to each other. (Which in itself makes it sound more complicated than it is.)
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: griever on February 03, 2007, 09:24:21 AM
Hmm, that's a shame.  I hope that they don't renew this year.  It seems kind of wasteful to pay for a name you're not using and a site that appears to be dead.  Do you think they're hoping you might come along and make them an offer?

Re: the second domain - Okay, I think I've seen some information rewrite rules...would I still give you the domain name for whatever you need to do, or would it just be handled through the htaccess file?  Maybe I should just use Yahoo's redirection option.
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Xepher on February 03, 2007, 09:28:46 PM
If you set it up here, yes, it's just like the first domain name you add, I have to set it up in the DNS, Mail, and Web server systems. Then you can add a rewrite rule to .htaccess that will redirect a particular domain away from your main page and to whatever directory you want. If you go the yahoo option, you don't need to do any of that, but I can't run email or anything for your domain either.
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: griever on February 04, 2007, 01:58:10 AM
Okay, thanks, Xepher. :)
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: fesworks on February 09, 2007, 06:05:06 PM
Is it possible to make my "fesandernst.com" to forward to "http://fesworks.xepher.net/home.php", I mean if it's possible and not too much trouble, of course? I'd be grateful :) But if too complicated or not possible, no biggie, I can work around it.
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: Xepher on February 09, 2007, 08:04:57 PM
It doesn't "forward" to any particular page. It's another domain name. fesworks.xepher.net is a domain name, and it's the same as fesandernst.com is. Besides, aren't they the same thing anyway? I can't tell a difference in the pages. If you really need that to happen though, it's not a complicated rewrite rule to put in .htaccess.

EDIT:
See http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/misc/rewriteguide.html for the full thing, but basically you probably just need this.

RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST}   ^(www.)fesandernst.com [NC]
RewriteRule ^/$         http://fesandernst.com/home.php [R,L]
Basically the first line says "the hostname that was used is fesandernst.com", the second line says "the requested file was just / (the root directory) so redirect [R] it to home.php instead and that this should be the last rule it runs [L].
Title: Domain Name Hosting Advice
Post by: fesworks on February 09, 2007, 10:41:58 PM
Well, I had to make "index.php" and "home.php" the same after I got the domain over here... I was just trying to avoid recoding a million pages to point to "index.php" instead of "home.php" :P

Thanks for the info, I'll look into this once I get a chance to play with it :)