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Xeph Wrote:
Bloop, I'm not sure what your feelings are about all this... if you're still angry or still interested or what. As such, feel free to take a few days to cool off before you respond if you want. However, I am personally curious what makes you want to be hosted here, as opposed to just buying a $5/month account somewhere on your own and putting your stuff up there. Generally most people come here because they honestly can't afford even that, and/or because they're interested in the community

I'm not at all angry as I didn't take personal offense to any thing that was said.  All lawyers endure on a daily basis a gazillion times worse.  As flame wars go this one was pretty mild.  I mostly just took issue with Munerifts awful arguments!  Not so much the tone of them but the overall form which they took.  But then after I saw that she was pretty much that way with all applicants it just didn't matter that much any more. Grievers responses / arguments on the other hand were well thought out, well written and on point.  But on to your question 'what makes you want to be hosted here?'  My current site is fully functional and I don't wanna tinker with it too much.  I mostly thought that I have something neat and funny to offer the Xepher.net community (I can't really do that very effectively somewhere else) and they have a place for me to do that.  What a nice fit!  How that simple proposition turned out so convoluted is beyond me!  I just assumed everyone would take a look at my work and say yeah it's cool or not my cup of tea - which would seem to be the normal way something like this should go.  Any way while I was not offended it appears Munerift and Griever were so in the spirit of community, I would like to appoligize to them for any offense.  In reading back through the posts I can honestly say no insult was intended.  Thanks for your time!

FOLLOW UP:  I read some of the other posts by Munerift regarding other applications.  It seems Munerift is simply bitter overall and has nothing positive to to say regarding ANY application!  Boy, what a relief, I don't feel bad at all for have been critiqued by Munerift.

Jesus, Munerift, are you full of yourself or what?  This tops your stuff in spades!  I give a thumbs up!

Yeah, my humor is that which only I get most of the time... =P

Finally a statement from Munerift that is valid and not rife with illogic!  Ignore her dude, your work is good enough!  I give a thumbs up!

I can understand your appeal to the great and wonderful Xeph.  But I still say the main criterion for hosting should be does the applicant have something neat and funny to offer the community AS A WHOLE.  I would suspect the the wise and powerful Xeph may in fact determine that BLOOP does have something neat and funny to offer the community as a whole and on that basis BLOOP should be at least granted at trial run!

I however do not consider it appropriate for you to sit back and dismiss valid points brought up as beneath your notice and insulting us to boot.

You have not brought up any defensible / valid points nor have I insulted you (if you have taken offense then that is your own perspective not mine - as no insult was intended).  If you can't defend your position any further then there is no shame in merely saying so!

Attack?  I merely responded to your quasi-agrument in a logical and professional manner!  Don't  cry HELP just because you can't respond rationally!

Trying to beat that losing argument like a dead horse, eh?  Your last comment was completely unfocused (I suspect due to being shaken up by my reply - this happens in Court at lot, too - your going to have to do better if you want convince a judge / jury)  We are talking about comics here, right?  The main focus for any application should be does the applicant have something neat and funny to offer the hosting site.  With regard to that, the masses have responded with a resounding - Yes!  You should focus your objections on that question.  Not on making side / irrelevant arguments like 'he's already established and making money eleswhere'  So what?  Should every applicant be a starving artist / pop up hater with no aspirations (or no hope because their suff sucks) of seeing his / her work generate income?  I'm not going to appoligize to the likes of you because people enjoy my strip, it's succesful and it generates income!  The bottom line here is if the applicant has something neat and funny to share with the community then give a thumbs up if not then give a thumbs down.  In other words, if you like BLOOP then say 'Yeah, BLOOP is kinda cool' and if you don't like BLOOP say 'Eh, not my cup of tea'.  Don't waste my time, the hosts time and your time with simple / illogical ramblings that are biased / envious at best and make no sense at worst.  Simple as that!  Fair enough?

You may also point out as you've done so that you have quite a fan base and later bring up the potential for income to Xepher's hosting... but I then think: "Well he has a site where people can already pay a fee and have access to everything; why would they donate here..?" Donating to keep a site free for access to comics where it's for free anyway cancels each other out.

I'm just not seeing a very rational reason why Xeph should allow you resources that you already possess somewhere else...

You make a decenct point but but it is a very narrow view and not a very well thought out one.  In fact, it's similar to what a student of logic would call a 'straw man'.  The rational is obvious and would be that not every one is aware of my other site.  In fact, I would be willing to wager that most people who use (and donate to) Xepher.net have no idea my other site even exists (did you?)!  To further sweeten the pot for Xepher.net, I would also consider posting exclusive content here.  These two reasons alone (and there are more) will easily side step your concerns (hence the term 'straw man' - an easily defeated argument)!  So if this is your main objection to hosting, I would think you need to come up with someting more substantial.

So you would keep both sites?

Well sure!  I'm not gonna give up my cash cow, silly goose (never underestimate the power of the pop-up)!  And don't even mention touching my copyright or merchandizing!  But as you point out a lot of people don't like to wade through websites filled with ads and what not.  And that's a lot of people not looking at my work!  (Some of my friends agrue that these are the people you don't want viewing your work anyway but I disagree)  I initially lucked out by circumventing the whole 'giving away' my comics thing which is real popular now.  I started BLOOP way back in the day in 1985 while in college.  BLOOP was published in the college paper (a nice paying gig in the form of a scholorship)  I even published a collection of those old strips which sold nicely in the student bookstore (eventhough those greedy bastards took ten percent)  So I was able to start out in the webcomics business with a decent following already in place.  However, at this point allowing people to get to see my work is almost as important as making money is.  I would therefore intend my submissions here at Xepher.net be non-subscription based (ie free) and ad free.  This way ad free haven lovers like yourself can check out BLOOP free of subscription fees, ads and pop-ups!  As Alex said in Clockwork Orange "you have to know when to be generous and giving like ..."

Ad's aren't too welcome here... this is a haven to get away from that stuff.

Yeah, ads aren't welcome most anywhere but as I stated in my initial application post, I would be willing to stay ad free except for ads posted by the host.  My current site with ads generates sufficient income, I don't need to post any ads here on Xepher.net.

Did you create this website, or are all the ads something that was imposed on you by your current host?  

I created the website using the host's template.  I put the ads there.  I tried to keep the main focus on the comic by putting the ads to the extreme right and bottoms of the pages.  I would remove them but they generate too damn much money.  Forgive me I'm weak!

I would like to submit BLOOP for hosting on xepher.net. My website is currently subscription based but has a FREE ARCHIVE for viewing past strips. I will post some links here for those without the patience for wading through a website (although there are more samples at the website). Also I would intend to update here at least weekly and that any BLOOP comic strips posted on xepher.net would be free and without ads (unless the hosting service posts them of course). Anyway my website address is http://www.webcomicsnation.com/blooptoon and here are some simple links.

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My strip recently got mostly blasted at Transplant Comics by some webcomic artist's who's own strips and sites were not that great (Voids and Bub's World in particular). Hopefully I'll have better luck here. But if not please feel free to let me know where improvements can be made! Thanks and Enjoy!