Yeah, you've mentioned that project several times to me, and it looks like they've come pretty far since you first noted it. I'm looking at the site, and it seems pretty useful and, above all, SIMPLE, compared to Smarty. (That's a good thing.) The one thing they could use though is just a "for dummies" sort of tutorial to talk you though a basic example or two. The documentation, while nice, doesn't really show how to start or really what it does. Still though, I'll probably try this on my next project instead of Smarty.